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You Asked... What's With The Runaround?

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By Evan Marc Katz, Tom Blake, and Kristin Cavins, M.A., LMHC Updated: Sep 5, 2008
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"A few times I have met this woman who has two kids. I also have two kids. I am 30 and she is a little older, maybe 35. When I do see her, I make her laugh and her laugh makes me smile. I have been divorced for eight years and have rarely dated, but for some reason, whenever I see her I feel like there is something there. The problem is that the first time I tried to give her my number (I sent it to her work with a present), she did not call back, and when I saw her the next time she said she didn't get the paper. I doubted it but figured if she wasn't interested she'd just say so, so I flirted a little and we laughed. I said, 'Do you want my number?' and she said sure, so I wrote it on a piece of paper she handed me.
 
"I didn't see her for a month, but I saw her today and I said did you lose my number again? She said her cell phone broke and she was waiting for a new one. I asked her, when can I see you again? She said she and her friends were heading out on Saturday and she told me where. How do I approach this? I would like at least one date to see if anything is there, but I don't want to look any more desperate for her than I already have." -- Andrew M., 30, Mequon, Wyoming
 
Evan Marc Katz Answers
Dear Andrew -- Face it, my friend: she's not interested. She's gotten your gifts, gotten your number (twice!), and gotten your invitation, and she's STILL acting like she's never met you before. Could you have played this relationship differently? Sure.
“Instead of giving her your number and waiting for her to call, you could have gotten her number.”
Instead of giving her your number and waiting for her to call, you could have gotten her number. That way there'd be no waiting, no ambiguity over lost phones and numbers. But even then, you'd still be wondering if she received your voicemail. Needless to say, when you run into her, she'll tell you that she never heard it. And you'll most likely believe her because you want to give her the benefit of the doubt.
She doesn't deserve it.
The thing is, Andrew, is that she actually thinks she's being polite by not directly rejecting you. In fact, by playing nice to your face and avoiding you when you're not around, she's being incredibly rude. So do yourself a favor: Move on to a woman who keeps your number, who returns your calls, who receives your advances. In short, find a woman who wants to go out with you -- they're much better company than the ones who don't.
Tom Blake Answers
Andrew -- I like several things about you and this woman:
  • You both have children and could be a great help to each other. You have something significant in common.
  • You make her laugh and feel chemistry towards her. She obviously likes you or she wouldn't respond. You two have a good base from which to grow a relationship.
  • She's a little older than you and that doesn't bother you, which is good. Some men your age foolishly only seek women in their early 20s.
“But, she may be a little more mature than you, and that's where you are coming up short.”
But, she may be a little more mature than you, and that's where you are coming up short. You are putting the responsibility to schedule a date on her shoulders. That's wrong. You need to take the initiative. Ask her out on a real live date. Be assertive! Show her you are mature enough to be with her.
When you ask her out, be prepared for her answer. If she says, "I'm busy Saturday night," then you say, "How about Sunday night?" If she is busy on Sunday, then say, "What night would work best for you?" If she turns you down again, then back off. Just say okay and walk away.
If the latter happens, don't ask her out again. She knows you are interested. The ball is in her court. Just fade into the sunset and let her wonder what happened to you. If you have to try too hard with her, it's not worth it.
Tom Blake is an author, syndicated columnist and expert on dating after 50. Go to his website at findingloveafter50.com for dating articles and to sign up for his newsletter.
Kristin Cavins Answers
Hi Andrew -- I understand your disappointment that the woman who makes you smile doesn't seem to be responding to any of your overtures. The gift that you sent to her office (along with your phone number) was a lovely gesture.  And while she said that she didn't receive your number, both you and I suspect that wasn't the case. Then, there was the broken cell phone, blah blah blah... You mentioned that if she wasn't interested you figured she would just say so. But the reality is, most people don't.
The ONLY bone (the short end of the wishbone) she has thrown to you was where she was going with her friends.
“You could dare to show up briefly on Saturday night”
You could dare to show up briefly on Saturday night (hint, don't be pathetic loner guy, so bring a friend along) and see if she pays any attention to you. If she doesn't, then move on, and find a woman who makes you smile and will smile at you in return.
Kristin Cavins, M.A., LMHC is a psychotherapist who specializes in dating and relationships, and provides online and phone counseling. She is on the web at keycounselingservices.com
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Andrew, dating is a game. Initially, women want a nice guy with an edge-- someone confident, someone funny, someone intriguing, someone hard to get. Once the relationship is full bore, they want a nice guy. Also, single moms, many time are reluctant to date. They don&#39;t want to disrupt their kids. When they do date, they want to date MEN not BOYS (they&#39;re already raising kids). Take the advice of suggestion two and three and combine them: ask them woman for a date. Be specific. Pick the date and time, yet remain flexible. If you go to the place she&#39;s with her friend, DO NOT go alone. It&#39;s all a game. Women want what they can&#39;t have. Try to hard, be too available, you&#39;ll get nowhere.
A Yahoo! Contributor
Women don&#39;t really play hard to get, at least not like that. If they are playing hard to get, they will give you reason to believe they are interested before they behave like they aren&#39;t. This woman has not shown you she is the slightest bit interested, so she almost definitely isn&#39;t. All she has been is polite, and really, no woman is going to tell you to get lost to your face. She&#39;s just going to be polite, but not reciprocal in your advances, and assume that you&#39;ll get the hint. So get the hint and move on the ladies who reciprocate your advances.
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Andrew, meet her on Saturday night where she said she will be. See how she acts towards you. If you are getting the feeling that she wants you there ask her out again following the process Tom Blake suggested. If she puts you off then walk away. I will admire a man for making such an effort to ask me out , maybe shes testing you!!!
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Andrew, we all like people who make us laugh and we all like being liked. Since you have given your phone number twice to her and she hasn&#39;t called, I agree with Evan Mark Katz and think you are confusing her politeness with being interested in you. I totally disagree with Kristin and showing up to where her and her friends are going, if it were me I would feel like you were stalking me and you would appear even more desperate. A better approach is to move on, after all if she does want to get to know you better she has your number and can always call you.
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Andrew: Maybe the woman would feel more comfortable meeting with you in a group setting for the first date. Once she sees that you are not that bad, she will be glad to go on a more private date with you. Some people just have problems letting people get close to them. I would love to meet a man as thoughtful as you, however if you were to approach me I would find a way to say no. Even if I thought you were worth checking out. I&#39;d go and see how you two get along in public.
A Yahoo! Contributor
leave her alone. she doesn&#39;t want to hurt your feelings.
A Yahoo! Contributor
How does it feel to have the tables turned, guys? Men have been doing this very same thing to women for a long time now. Now, we&#39;re supposed to cry crocodile tears when a woman does it to a man?
A Yahoo! Contributor
I&#39;d think the wisdom to this is to just back away. If she&#39;s doing such things then she is either very reserved or has issues of relationships (divorced alone, etc). Probally too many issues for you anyhow. Nice guys boy do we finish last!
A Yahoo! Contributor
Hi Andrew - I think this girl definitely wants to go out with you, but she is playing the game. She wants to test you to see how much you can pursue her. If you really want to go out with her, you must take the lead and set a definitive date with her by calling her at home or work and asking her out for the next weekend. Then after this date, call her right away, or (better yet) ask her out again before you part ways on the first date. Think football - you want to move the team down the field until you get a touchdown. Keep up on the telephone calls, and make the goal with this girl.
A Yahoo! Contributor
The fact of the matter is, women like to play games, but they don&#39;t consider them games when it&#39;s coming from them. I don&#39;t know a guy who is looking for a serious relationship who wouldn&#39;t prefer to have a woman just say she&#39;s not interested. Unfortunately, women seem to think it&#39;s more polite to not tell a guy, and leave him with mixed signals. There&#39;s not much you can do, dating is and always will be a double standard for women. They say they want a nice guy, but how often do they ever give them a chance? Unless you can basically deceive them the first couple dates, make them think your super exciting and fun, and then show them your a nice guy, you don&#39;t stand a chance.
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